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very unvarnished. and you can't understate -- or you can't overstate the significance of that. >> betsy woodruff, thanks a lot. >> sure thing. >> this whole campaign is a crash course in the non-transferability of certain kinds of expertise. and tomorrow be sure to tune in to andrea mitchell reports at noon when ben carson himself will be her guest. that is "all in" for this evening. rc "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thanks, my friend. good evening to you. thank you for staying tuned. on what has been an absolutely wild news day. to understand the absolute chaos that reigned today in american politics you have to start here. this very lovely hilton hotel in the richmond, virginia area. what happened today, this sort of tidal wave of chaos that flowed over washington today, it started at that virginia hotel ballroom at this moment. >> when i sit here and i listen to mr. brat speak, i hear the
inaccuracies. [ boos ] my family's here -- we are not a country of free speech. so decency's also part of this. [ applause ] i hear the inaccuracies. my wife and two of my kids are here. my mother and mother-in-law are here. they hear the falsehoods. but of course i'm tempted to fight fire with fire. but instead let me just leave you with some thoughts. to think over. you know, first of all, it is easy to sit in the rarefied environs of academia, in the ivory towers of a college campus with no accountability and no consequence when you throw
stones -- [ boos ] when you throw stones at those of us who are working every day to make a difference. >> that was republican congressman at the time eric cantor of virginia. he was then the number two republican in congress, and he was nearly getting booed out of the ballroom at that richmond hilton. that took place in may of last year, and the people who were booing him, those were his own constituents. they were republicans in his own home district, the very same people who had sent him to congress for seven straight terms. that was supposed to be a very friendly crowd for him. instead it turned into something approaching a bit of a mob scene. and within a month eric cantor was out of a job. sent packing. this powerful, high-profile republican on the rise within the republican party, within american politics overall, eric cantor lost his seat. lost his seat to a political nobody whose name was brat.
a local college professor named dave brat who had never been involved in electoral politics before. he beat eric cantor. this titan of republican politics. in eric cantor's home district. kicked him out of congress. and that in a strange way is how we got to today. because we now know that had eric cantor won that election, had he been able to win over those people in that ballroom, had he held on to his seat against that no-name upstart college professor, today eric cantor would be speaker of the house. he'd be third in line to the presidency. he'd be the leader of congress. he'd be the second most powerful person in washington after the president himself. had eric cantor not been primaried out of his seat, the next thing that would have happened after eric cantor got re-elected to congress that yeah, had that happened, the next thing that would have happened is john boehner would have announced he was stepping down as speaker, that the time had come to put eric cantor in that job. that is what was supposed to
happen last year. that is what as going to happen last year. and eric cantor had by now, had that all happened, eric cantor would be well into his first year as speaker of the house. but fate and that chorus of booing in that hotel ballroom in richmond, virginia, fate and political failure intervened. and because of what happened to eric cantor in that one district in virginia john boehner had to change his plans and stay on the job. he was supposed to have stepped down and let eric cantor take over at the end of last year. but john boehner stayed on because dave brat, who john boehner then had to officially swear in as a member of the house, that must have been a happy occasion, because this guy dave brat beat eric cantor, john boehner was forced to stay on the job. and he has been on the job all that time until this happened. cue the waterworks. see john boehner there on the right side of your screen? john boehner crying in public
because he is moved by something, it is and always has been one of my favorite things about john boehner. i find it uncynically endearing and human about him. i empathize with him because i too am an uncontrollable public cryer. but in terms of how we got to today's tidal wave of chaos in washington, john boehner crying repeatedly and uncontrollably in the presence of pope francis this month ends up being an important part of the story. we'll never know for sure. mr. boehner has given sort of conflicting answers about it. but john boehner apparently was so moved by the visit of pope francis to the capitol this past month that he decided literally right as pope francis was leaving washington, d.c., he says he decided that if he was ever going to get out of this freaking job it was going to be right then. no time like the present, right now. let's do it. and so in fact the day after
pope francis left washington, d.c. and john boehner spent that entire day crying in public in the presence of the pope, the very next day john boehner surprised everybody and he quit. he quit one of the most powerful jobs in the world. he says he told the next man in line for the job kevin mccarthy, he says he told him a grand total of two minutes before he told everybody else. he told kevin mccarthy he was quitting while he was walking into a house republican meeting and at that meeting he stunned every republican in washington by announcing he was stepping down. john boehner announced that he was quitting on a friday afternoon less than two weeks ago. for the whole weekend that followed, the whole news and politics world was furiously googling kevin mccarthy trying to figure out who this guy is. who is this shoo-in next in line guy to run congress? all the beltway news was about how kevin mccarthy was on such great terms with all the other republicans in congress, how he
had recruited many others to be in congress in the first place, how he had all but locked up the support he needed to become the next speaker, even if not too many people knew who he was. that was the weekend. so we had john boehner's surprise -- we had the hope leave washington on thursday night. we had john boehner resign on friday. over the weekend we got kevin mccarthy all but anointed. and then the following monday rolled around. kevin mccarthy's scheduled to give a big foreign policy speech that monday. at that point, right? he's not just a member of congress giving a leadership speech. he's now the man poised to take one of the highest-profile and most powerful political jobs in the entire world. the spotlight had never burned brighter on kevin mccarthy. that monday, the monday after john boehner quit. it's the first huge moment of national and even international importance for lucky, lucky kevin mccarthy. and it went very poorly. >> we don't have the same as difficult decision, but this
white house is managing the decline in putting us in tough decisions for the future. unlike during the surge in iraq when petraeus and crocker had an effective politically strategy to match the military strategy. it defies belief that the president would allow the ban on iranian oil exports to be lifted and also stand by while russia blackmails an entire continent all the while keeping the bapla of the band on america. >> stand by while -- peanut butter banana foo, foo, what? that was monday of last week. then came tuesday of last week when the same kevin mccarthy appeared on the fox news channel and said the thing that republicans are never supposed to admit in public, which is that they created a
multimillion-dollar taxpayer-funded investigation into the benghazi attack specifically for the purpose of bringing down hillary clinton's poll numbers as she runs for president. and he said proudly they think it's working. kevin mccarthy had only been a candidate for house speaker for two business days at that point. but at that point with that serious self-inflicted wound it all of a sudden started to sort of change the weather around kevin mccarthy. it sort of became open season on this guy who just moments before was supposed to be a shoo-in for the job. >> it's an absolute inappropriate statement. it is not how this started. it's an absolute terrible statement. i don't think it's a fair -- >> he should apologize? >> yeah. i think he should apologize. i think he should withdraw. >> i imagine you feel very disappointed in those comments, but you tell me. >> well, kevin's wrong. >> the democrats are right to criticize him. i would criticize him. i think he owes an apology to the families.
>> those are not democrats. those were all guys from his own side. republicans in congress all going on tv to say kevin mccarthy's wrong, he needs to apologize. and because kevin mccarthy is kevin mccarthy, this is what it sounded like when he tried to take it back. or at least defend himself or -- i don't actually know what he was trying to say here. >> i do not want to make that harm benghazi committee in any way. >> nobody was trying to make that harm benghazi committee in any way. i don't want to -- but that was the leadup to today. today was the day house republicans were set to nominate their candidate for house speaker. kevin mccarthy, despite all of his screw-ups in the last few days, he was expected to wrap this thing up today. early this morning shows up at work around 8:00 a.m. reporters are gathered around. it's the big day. kevin mccarthy, all smiles. >> good morning. >> good morning. how are you all today? good morning.
>> how's it going to go? >> it's going to go great. >> it's going to go great. that was 8:00 this morning. kevin mccarthy is there with his family on capitol hill. he's going to meet with congressional republicans. he goes and meets with republicans. he makes his final sales pitch to be speaker. all systems were go. and then very quickly for some reason between then and about four hours later things just went off the rails. i mean, this was him in the 8:00 hour. this was him 8:00 a.m. this morning, definitely running, making his pitch, all systems go. it's going to go great. 8:00 a.m. and then just four hours later house republicans gathered again around noon to hold their actual vote. this was a foregone conclusion, right? i mean, the media were gathered around waiting to heart big news, the inevitable announcement that kevin mccarthy had been picked. most of what they're interested in i guess was waiting to hear the actual vote total for him to
see if that might be interesting. but everyone knew bottom line how it was going to go. and then to the surprise of everyone republicans pulled the silverware drawer out of the kitchen cabinet and put it over their heads and shook it. it was just stunning and amazing. >> luke, the report that we've confirmed, kevin mccarthy has taken himself out of the race? >> andrea, this is a huge shock. this is a bombshell that nobody saw coming. a few members of congress just left the meeting. a scrum of reporters went over there and said hey, guys, why are you leaving so early? we thought this process was going to take over an hour, hour and a half. they said that kevin mccarthy stood up, announced that he would not be running for speaker, and then the current speaker of the house, boehner, said as a result p mr. mccarthy's announcement we're going to be postponing the election. >> that was it. just like that. everything we thought was going
to happen did not happen. house republicans burst out of that room like a house on fire. they said they were stunned. that's the word people used over and over and over again. republican congressman mark sanford from south carolina used the word "mayhem" to describe what happened inside that room. mayhem. he said a number of republican members of congress were crying inside the meeting room. npr reported that the crying, the sobbing of multiple republican members of congress was audible to people who were there at the capitol. kevin mccarthy himself then addressed reporters, again, standing alongside his family. >> come on over, guys. come on up. come on up. all right. i think i shocked some of you, huh? listen, we've been going through this campaign talking to a lot of members, but the one thing i've always said to earn this
majority, we're servants. we should put this conference first. and i think there's something to be said for us to unite we probably need a fresh face. i'll stay on as majority leader. but the one thing i found in talking to everybody, if we are going to unite and be strong, we need a new face to help do that. so nothing more than that. i feel good about the decision. i feel great to have my family here, my colleagues. i think we're only going to be stronger. we fought hard to win this majority and turn this country around. and this will be our best step foot -- foot step -- >> you said at 8:00 a.m. you were going to run for the speakership. why change it at noon? what happened in those four hours? >> you know, we had our conference, and there's calls in to the district. i don't want to make voting for speaker a tough one. i don't want to go to the floor and win with 220 votes. i think the best thing for our
party right now is that you have 247 votes on the floor. if we are going to be strong, we've got to be 100% united. >> kevin mccarthy now saying that he had dropped his bid for speaker. i think i shocked some of you, huh? yeah. yeah. you think? the headlines today, "mccarthy shocks conference by dropping speaker bid." this was politico today. "mccarthy drops out, colon," or comma. "house in chaos." the hill went so far as foul out their big explanation point for their headline. "shock." exclamation point. mccarthy drops from speaker bid. that may be the first time we've actually seen an exclamation point in a beltway headline. but this was just a total republican mess today. who's going to run congress? nobody knows. nobody knows. who's going to be third in line to the presidency after the vice president? the second most powerful person
in washington after the president. nobody knows. who runs the republican party? nobody knows. who gets to decide who runs the republican party? say it with me now. nobody knows. this entire process from the very beginning has been for the republicans surprise after disaster after surprise after disaster. but that's their process. this is also the same process that ultimately has to result in somebody, somebody else, getting this really, really important job. and there's nothing about this process thus far that gives us any indication whatsoever of what that person might be or who they might be chosen. could be dave brat for all we know. or how about one of those angry people who booed at eric cantor in that hotel room back in the spring last year? any of those people booing at eric cantor, any of them need a day job? because there's a really, really important one that's vacant right now. and given what has just transpired, anything is possible.
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one decision that's been batted around today about whether or not the democrats might have to help republicans pick a new speaker. democratic leader nancy pelosi today was asked about that and she made clear beyond any reasonable doubt that that will not be happening. >> tell me why you think nobody wants to be speaker. >> you know what, you're just going to have to ask nobody. >> would you take it if it was offered to you? >> we want to win it. >> is it a worse job for republicans? >> you know what? i think it's a great job. it has great opportunity. and i'm sure they'll find somebody who is capable of accepting the honor. >> you're sure? >> i'm sure they'll find somebody who's capable of accepting the honor. and while you're at it, ask nobody. nancy pelosi today basically saying whoever the republicans
decide to try to go with, they're going to have to do this on their own. she's not planning on helping. good luck, you guys. joining us now is msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki. steve, i'm so excited to talk to you about this right now that i could pop. thank you for being here. >> sure. >> in all your days covering politics statewide and nationwide you've seen a lot of drama and surprises. can you sort of rank this in terms of how big a deal this is? >> yeah. the only thing that xumz to mind that's comparable to this is at the height of the bill clinton impeachment drama in december of 1998 when republicans had a speaker in waiting, bob livingston from louisiana. he was all set to take the job. then it turned out that he had an extramarital affair. this as republicans were trying to impeach bill clinton over his extramarital affair. he went to the floor of the house. nobody saw this coming at the moment. and he resigned on the spot. and there was just total chaos in the house on top of impeachment playing out. and the way that all sorted out in the end was you had this sort of vacuum thin. with livingston gone, newt gingrich had just stepped down as the speaker.
so there was this big power vacuum on the republican side. that's how dennis hastert became speaker at the time. nobody outside of capitol hill had heard of dennis hastert but republicans were really in a jam. the biggest names in the party were off the table and hastert was the only one they could find who just had good personal relationships sort of across the republican spectrum. he was not a loud guy. he was not known outside of d.c. but that's why they turned to him in that moment. and he was sort of an accidental speaker. >> it's a really important precedent at this point because we look back at the gingrich era. the whole reason bob livingston was going to be speaker-elect is that gingrich had sort of resigned in disgrace after those mid-terms. so gingrich is out, there's this huge controversy over whether his brand of ideological confrontational brand of republican politics is going to be the republican way going forward or whether there's going to be a more conciliatory republican party. we see some of those same arguments now. livingston was going to be one very specific guy. when they turned to denny hastert in obscurity and everybody had it look him up without the benefit of google at the time, when they picked
hastert were they picking somebody who had ideological specificity? >> no. but what he did have, the twist there was he was also tom delay's guy. so tom delay was in the leadership back then and wanted to be speaker but there there was a recognition especially in the wake of the bad mid-terms they had and the ranz gik gingrich was forced out as leader. tom delay was too radioactive to be speaker himself. but he had formidable strength within the republican caucus so he championed hastert on his way out the door. gingrich told republicans there's one guy that can unite us. they called him the coach. he'd been a wrestling coach, we now know more about that. but the coach is the guy who can bring us all together. >> that is fascinating because that gets us right back to today which is there was a guy named tom delay there who could tell republicans what to do, wrangle votes, get enough votes together, to not only get a nominee but to get the floor vote passed and to put somebody in leadership. even if it couldn't be him himself he could troll people.
is there anybody in republican politics who can control people? >> the two names that come to mind, first of all, kevin mccarthy was supposed to be able to. the whole appeal of kevin mccarthy and the reason why the optimistic republican would have said he'd be different than john boehner is aum of those sort of house freedom caucus types on the far right on the republican side who didn't like boehner and wanted him out, a lot of them were recruited to congress by kevin mccarthy in 2010. >> they at least owed him that. >> right. and he did what boehner didn't do. over the last five years he met with them constantly. he called them constantly. he cultivated personal relationships. so the thinking was one theory was the next time you come to a debt ceiling showdown or whatever it is and he has to move move them toward compromise they would give him the benefit of the doubt they never were going to give john boehner. that was the thinking. >> at least listen to him, at least engage with him. >> they'd think he was acting in good faith in a way they never trusted john boehner to act in good faith because they liked him personally. that was the theory at least. mccarthy, that's completely out the door now. the other one that comes to mind
now and the one the full court press is on now, paul ryan. you have john boehner telling paul ryan he has to get in there, kevin mckarthdy telling him raez got to get in there. he does not want this job because he seize what it will lead to, it leads towel ultimately have to strike a deal with the white house and the democrats to keep the government open, to raise the debt ceiling. he knows invariably when he gets to that point no matter what he does, no matter how many times he bows to the right they will call him a traitor. and if he has political aspiration that's extend beyond the house which i think he does he does not want to be branded the next john boehner. >> because paul ryan wants to be president and paul ryan is getting lobbied really hard by kevin mb karthy and john boehner who are both dying of political snake bytes right now and they are calling to him, beckoning to him from inside the nest of vipers saying please hop on and he's saying no, i'm a young man and someday i'm going to be president unless i get in there with you guys. sorry, i've got to go wash my hair. this is such an amazing day. steve kornacki, msnbc political correspondent. thank you. really appreciate it. >> yep. >> that was a really complicated
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nightmare. john boehner told fellow republicans in congress last week that he had a terrible dream about his job. and we now know that that dream was prophetic. ooh-whoo-ooh. here's why we know that. when kevin mcyarth pulled out of the race to be house speaker today, sure, it might have been for some other reason that we don't yet understand. but it pretty much seems like he pulled out because he couldn't win, he couldn't get enough votes from his fellow republicans, couldn't get 218 votes to win that top job. and that is sad news for kevin mccarthy. but the sadder news for the republican party and the tremendously freaking fascinating news for all of us is that it appears that it's not just kevin mccarthy's problem. it appears that no one can get the votes to win that job. i mean, he's not viable as speaker, it turns out. but so far at least nobody else is either. and if there's no one viable,
then there are precisely four things that could happen next. four. option one. someone could become viable. yes, you, silhouette. somebody could become viable. the republicans could reach deep into their souls and find a kumbaya center they donate know they had, and they could somehow therefore find someone from congress who could get 218 votes and therefore take speaker boehner's job. maybe that's paul ryan who reportedly got lobbied heavily today to do it by both john boehner and kevin mccarthy himself but who keeps repeatedly saying no, he will not do it. maybe paul ryan changes his mind. maybe it's somebody else. but that's option one. they find some republican in congress who could do it, even though right now there's no one. or there's option 2. they could find somebody who could do, it who could get 218 votes, but who is not a republican member of the house.
technically, that's legal. doesn't have to be a member of congress to be speaker. so it just could be anyone in the world. who, anyone in the world could a majority of republicans come to an agreement on? out of anybody in the world. first lady nancy reagan. they could all agree on her, right? senator ted cruz. he has lots of friends in the house. maybe that guy from "duck dynasty." they could all agree on a chick-fil-a sandwich. you could be speaker. or perhaps former speaker newt gingrich, who just today, i am totally not joking right now, newt gingrich just today said actually, he'd be happy to do it if need be. >> my question is maybe this is a time for newt gingrich to come back with -- with a flurry of ideas and a new contract that would advance a conservative agenda to help the country solve these horrible problems. would you consider, if nominated, being the interim speaker? >> look, i can't quite imagine a
circumstance -- mccarthy problem is not getting a majority of the conference, it's getting 218 votes. i mean, if you were to say to me 218 votes -- >> why are you laughing at my idea? this is a serious proposal. >> i'm not laughing at it. i'm saying to you -- i'm trying to be totally honest with you. if you're going to say to me 218 guys have called you up and given you their pledge, obviously, no citizen could ever turn down that kind of challenge. this is why george washington came out of retirement. there are moments you can't avoid. >> so there you have it. option two. newt gingrich could rescue house republicans. or any random person they found on the street could rescue house republicans if they could all agree on that random person. that's option 2. or there's option 3. the ominous option. which is that there actually isn't anybody, nancy reagan included, newt gingrich included, paul ryan included, they can't find anybody to adree
agree on. in that case conceivably there could be no speaker. john boehner retires, gets to spend more time with his golf game, but there's nobody no take over in his place and nobody runs congress. that means no votes, no convening, no offices, no nothing. nobody can do business. congress just closes. congress just kind of ends. that's the third of three options. and each of those three options right now seems either impossible or impossibly catastrophic. which brings us to option 4. which is honestly the most likely thing to happen. which is that john boehner is not allowed to quit. poor guy. when he told his colleagues last week about this terrible work dream he had, this nightmare, what he said was this -- "i had this terrible nightmare last night that i was trying to get out and i couldn't get out and a hand came reaching, pulling me." is that the most likely thing that's going to happen?
because that would be freaking amazing, right? because, first of all, anytime you have a dream about work, whether it's a good dream or a bad dream, it's a bad dream because you shouldn't be dreaming about work. that's a different part of your brain than the sleeping part. but it would be truly a nightmare for this group of republican hard-liners who just claimed kevin mccarthy's scalp, who just killed kevin mccarthy's chances of being speaker and they just killed john boehner's tenure as speaker. if the ultimate result of all of this is that john boehner not only can't quit but he can't be fired, they can't get rid of him, that would be a nightmare. not just for john boehner. that would be a nightmare for all the right-wing hard-liners who have been thinking all along that they were winning this thing. congratulations. you win. you win your worst nightmare from which you can't wake up because now it's permanent. joining us now is jay newton small, washington correspondent for "time" magazine. it's great you have to here. i promise i will not make you interact with any props.
>> thanks so much for having me on, rachel. >> we have an overactive prop department, which is something that we all do. at this point is the most likely outcome that john boehner just has to stay on even though he's trying to quit? >> it is looking more and more likely that it is the most likely outcome. and it's exactly like you said, his nightmare. it's the worst thing that he wante wanted especially because he just thought -- literally he was so excited to leave. when he announced he was res yooirni in ining he literally walked up to the podium singing "zippedy doo-dah." now he might have to stay. it's sort of like he should have expected it, right? because every single thing he's stride to do with these guys has been completely like, you know, pulling teeth. and he's never been able to convince them of anything. why did he actually think he would convince them of letting him go easily, quietly into the night was going to be so easy? i don't know. >> when he tried to do it on his own terms, it's almost like the universe rose up and was like no, john boehner, you don't get
to do anything on your own terms, don't you realize what this job meant? in terms of the other options, obviously there's all this attention on paul ryan. he could not be more clear that he doesn't want it. we've heard that both john boehner and kevin mccarthy want him, they don't care he said no, they're trying to do their best o'to push him into doing it. do you have any indication of what might happen in terms of that lobbying effort with paul ryan? >> he announced today, or actually it was broken today that he suspended doing fund-raisers for the next 48 hours, which a lot of people took as a sign that he may be reading the tea leaves. these are bidenesque tea leaves at this point. that he might actually run. or might actually become speaker. honestly, it's not in his best interests. so if he ever wants to run for higher office, this a part-time -- this is not a part-time job. this is a very temporary job. whoever is the next speaker is not likely to last beyond the next 18 months left of boehner's term because everything that's left to do for this legislative term is completely unpopular with their own conference. i mean, you have to raise the debt ceiling by early november. you have to increase
transportation infrastructure spending. you have to increase spending for the budget for the government. i mean, all passed on the back of democratic votes. or you're going to face a government shutdown. none of these things are things these guys want to do. reauthorize the xm bank. again, something they don't want to do. all of things, every single time the speaker pushes this through on the back of democratic votes, whomever he or she is, they're going to say, okay, motion to vacate the chair, you're fired. sort of like donald trump's congress, you're fired, you're fired. let's have a new speaker every other week. and so whoever this next speaker is is not going to last very long because there's nothing he or she can do that's going to make it very popular to stay. >> i will say after all of the effort that we've put into coming up with our four options including john boehner sadly having to keep doing this thing, you have just inspired me that we should have done a fifth, which is house speaker on a chore wheel where everybody has to be house speaker for three days and then it goes to somebody else and it ruins their career for three days but
everybody has to take a turn and it's like doing the compost in a hippie house. that's amazing. jay newton-small, washington correspondent for "time" magazine, really appreciate your time tonight. this is going to be fun to watch it play out. thank you. >> thank you. >> thanks a lot. all right. programming note. if you are planning your later night tv viewing for this evening, i should let you know that i'm going to be on "the daily show" tonight with trevor noah. we just taped it before this show. it was super fun. also it was a little painful. >> i would love to know one thing. i'd love to know many things. but one thing from you. if you had to vote for one of the republican candidates -- [ laughter ] if you had to vote -- if you had to vote, had to vote, if someone held a gun to your head because ben carson said point it that way, who would you vote for? if you had to vote for one of the 12. >> for one of the ones who is running? >> one of the 12 -- one of the main 12 on that debate stage. >> the main 12.
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'. >> the last we heard from the state of oklahoma, they had just called off an execution at the very last minute because, surprise, turns out they had the wrong drug. they were supposed to kill this man using something called potassium chloride, but they instead discovered what they had on hand was potassium acetate, oops bl oops glad we noticed. the officials say they opened the box of drugs and they discovered two hours before that lethal injection was supposed to happen, they just discovered in the box was the wrong stuff.
and so a little bit of chaos. the governor called off that execution at the very last minute. the prisoner himself was sitting in aled hoing cell wondering why he was still alive. now the state has halled all executions while they try to figure out why they had the wrong drug, what went wrong. that was the unsettling news from oklahoma last week. now we have learned something even more unsettling. turns out when b oklahoma discovered,less than two hours before that execution that they had the wrong drug, turns out they were actually lucky that time. because in january we now know they actually went ahead and used the wrong drug to kill someone else. that information was just released today in that man's autopsy report. you can see here, this is from the autopsy report. the syringes were labelled with the right drug, the syringes were labelled potassium chloride, but the syringes were filled from viles containing the wrong drug.
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1963, president john f. kennedy had just been astas nated hours earlier and lyndon johnson was sworn in as president as a big rush. nobody knew if that assassination was part of a larger plot. nobody knew if the new president, johnson, might be in danger, too. that night at johnson's house, a secret service agent heard footsteps in the dark. quote, blaine picked up the thompson sub machine gun and activated the bolt on top. the next instant, there was a face to go with the footsteps. it is the new president of the united states lyndon baines johnson who had just rounded the country. a split second later, blaine would have pulled the trigger. 14 hours after losing one president, the nation came chillingly close to losing another one. if that that had happened, if lyndon johnson had been accidentally killed by that jumpy secret service agent at his house that night, then the 37th president of the united
states would have been this man, speaker of the house, john mccormick. and not only was john mccormick one itchy trigger away from the presidency that night, he apparently did think he was president for just a moment on the day of j.f.k.'s assassinati assassination. he was misinformed that both president kennedy and vice president johnson were dead. quote, the possibility that he was at that moment president prompted a severe attack of vertigo. mccormick almost collapsed in table cloth and silverware. obviously he was not president nor did he ever have to be, although he went on to play a pivotal role in the civil rights act. he pulled it out of the hands of a chairman who bottled it up for years. when the health reform law
nearly was in death in congress, nancy pelosi saved it. if you love obamacare or hate obamacare, you can blame or thank nancy pelosi for it. the speaker of the house really matters. it matters constitutionally, legislatively. our lives are sbamly different because of who has held that job at pivotal times. and so with this incredible chaos in washington today, it is a spectacle, it is exciting, it is fascinating to watch. but it is also unbelievably consequential, unbelievably consequential american politics. and how it gets resolved is up with of the most important things that will happen in our political lifetimes. and it is amazing to watch, but it is also serious business. and that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word." ari melber sitting in for lawrence tonight. conservative house republicans who made the job of